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You describe yourself and your husband as ‘modern nomads’, can you explain what you mean.
It’s a term I made up when I tried to describe what our living situation was. I remembered reading about these nomads, and how they travelled constantly, never really setting roots down in any place, but the word itself conjured up images of a more traditional lifestyle that definitely did not suit us. I tacked on the word "modern" just before nomad just because we don’t use travelling caravans – we stay in hotels, fly in planes, drive cars, and are very, VERY into technology.
A modern nomad to us, is someone who doesn’t really have any roots in any one city and can pack up and travel at a moment’s notice to anywhere in the world. We literally live out of a suitcase - everything we own and need on a daily basis is packed to fit in a suitcase, and the rest of our stuff is kept in storage for free (our old couch from when we had an apartment, chairs, tables, that sort of thing), and our seasonal clothing (winter coats and boots) are kept in another storage unit in our "home" city.
How long have you been doing this and why did you decide to give up having a permanent residence?
We officially gave up our apartment around the start of this year, so it hasn’t been very long, but we’ve actually been living the modern nomad lifestyle for 2 years now. When we had the apartment, we paid through the nose for it. I had imagined that I would need to go into the office, and do office-y things, but it turned out that my job description as a consultant is true – it really IS 100% travel. As I switched projects and kept on travelling from city to city, It dawned on us halfway through the year-long apartment lease that we weren’t even in our apartment for any more than maybe 2 months out of the year!! So the rent that we were paying of $1600 a month (utilities included), was not really $1600/month, it was $9600/month!! And that was money that could’ve gone towards clearing our debt (I almost cried reading that number…)
I kept on having miniature panic attacks and pangs of regret every month my bank account showed a debit of $1600 – it was my albatross, a constant reminder of an apartment that we had decorated very nicely when we first moved in, but weren’t even using on a daily basis. While we could’ve tried to break the lease early, it was just not possible with my job at the moment – I was swamped with work, and having to try and move all at once on the weekend, was just too much stress for us to bear at the moment.
So we stuck it out, bit the bullet, and left the apartment empty (I suppose we could’ve subletted, but we’ve heard of horror stories and we weren’t particularly keen on others using our things in our absence). When the lease was over, we moved everything into a permanent storage (it was a hard choice trying to decide what we needed to keep and what needed to be stored away!), and shifted our clothes and seasonal things into another more easily accessible storage unit in our ‘home city’.
You still have a ‘home city’, do you find this important?
No we don’t find this significant at all. It’s not out of any emotional attachment to the city and in fact, we’d rather NOT be in our ‘home’ city if we can help it, because that means we’d have to pay for rent month-by-month instead of living for free in another city.
I just call it our ‘home’ city, that way people know what office of the company I’m from, but it doesn’t mean anything to us, other than that we have a storage unit there to access our seasonal things on an as-needed basis.
Which is your favourite city so far and why?
Out of all of the cities I’ve been to, I prefer the smaller, less crowded and congested ones. In fact, my husband and I hope to be on the most secluded, rural, way out in the middle of nowhere little towns because we find it more relaxing than being in a congested city with too much traffic, activity, smog, and stress.
My favourite city so far has been Montreal, Quebec, because I’m beginning to brush up on my rusty French and the city is actually quite clean when there aren’t any University students around 
I also like that Montreal has a very laid back vibe, and there’s a lot to see in terms of history, culture and architecture. Best of all, you can always ‘get away’ to a secluded spot in the mountain, and just chill out for the day. It’s sort of like a small town in terms of the pace of life but with big city flair.
My husband however, will say otherwise: he probably preferred North Bay , Ontario because it was so quiet, there were plenty of opportunities for him to sneak off during the day while I was at work to fish. Plus, everything was much, MUCH cheaper than in a more urban city in terms of food and entertainment.
What is the biggest benefit (aside from being able to do your job) about being nomads?
I can’t just pick one! For me, I love being in a different city, slowly acclimatizing to be a pseudo-local, seeing all the local sights and attractions, and especially eating all of the local food. But the best part is that I don’t have to keep travelling back and forth every weekend to see my husband.
I don’t have to:
- Pack up all of my junk in the hotel room
- Try and coordinate my flight schedules with calling a cab to arrive on time, and making sure I can leave the client site on time to catch my cab AND my flight
- Getting to the airport, go through the insane security checks, and then trying and find my terminal
- Waiting for 3 hours to get on a flight that only takes an hour, and wandering around the airport tourist duty-free traps
- Getting on a flight with screaming babies/children/annoying/snoring seat passengers, lamenting the lack of any decent food to snack on, and being too tired and exhausted to care about trying to be productive on the plane
- Getting off the flight, battling my way through traffic half sleeping-sitting in a cab, and arriving home late on a Friday night, too cranky and tired to do anything but veg
- Taking most of Saturday to unwind and do errands around the apartment, then get all of my things ready again on Sunday to fly off at night
- Then when I get back to the city I just left a day or two ago, I check into hotel room, hope I got a good room this time, unpack, force myself to sleep, wake up early for work, and do it all over again.
The lack of a commute is the best, plus most clients LOVE that I love staying in the city while the project is ongoing because I’m not rushing to leave on Thursday or Friday night to fly back, and I’m not coming in late on Mondays, and I tend to be less stressed and more laid back - plus I’m able to work longer if needed.
As for my husband, he loves that he doesn’t have to work (just wouldn’t be feasible), so he just travels with me, handles the driving, mapping and trip there and back while I sleep in the car, stays with me in the hotel the entire time, relaxes, works out in the gym, prepares my lunches for when I leave in the morning, and basically handle the little things that I don’t get a chance to – doing the dishes, laundry, etc. It really takes the stress off me, and I love having him around – especially if I get sick and I can’t take care of myself, he really helps take care of me when no one else can or will.
What annoys you the most about not having a permanent base?
Getting my mail and trying to make plans with friends.
I can get things sent (when I order online) to the hotel, but it’s whether or not my project will get cut short, or be extended, and I may miss my package if it doesn’t arrive in time, or gets lost. I also don’t have my regular mail – I’m so far behind in receiving wedding invitations, announcements, special packages that get sent to my family so I can pick it up when the project is over (in the next 6-8 months!!). And as for making plans with friends, I can make plans to be there for a birthday bash, but if I get on a project, I have to cancel and send my regrets, as I won’t fly back or be there for the next 8 months. It gets pretty tough, and I always feel like my friends and connections are slowly slipping away because I’m not there in person to connect with them.
Also, if you get a bad hotel (this is why I do thorough research before I book with them for the next 6 months), then you get stuck with no kitchen to cook in, no decent gym to work out in, and shoddy and/or rude service. For us, the best hotel so far has been the Marriott Residence Inn because they give you a full-sized kitchen, and a hearty breakfast! We still bring our own utensils, Tupperware dishes and kitchen stuff just in case.
How has this impacted on your financial situation?
It has impacted in ways I never thought possible at first, since I’ve essentially eliminated the two biggest budget drainers: Rent and Food.
This is what is covered when I’m on a project:
- Shelter (hotel rooms)
- Laundry (drycleaning and regular)
- Food (I get a food allowance per day)
- Travel up there (they pay for the flights, train tickets and/or car rentals)
- My cellphone bill and long distance calling costs (as a mobile employee, this is only business calls and the actual plan cost is reimbursed – anything personal, above and beyond is not)
Our only permanent, fixed, recurring bills every month (not including debt or savings) is:
- My husband’s car insurance
- Our life insurance plans (automatically deducted from my paycheck, I don’t even notice it)
- My husband’s cellphone plan
Our variable recurring bills are usually the basic things families need.
- Toiletries (shampoo, conditioner) – I’ve really tried to cut down on this, I’ve grown an aversion to packing/carrying a lot of things, and I don’t need a lot of maintenance.
- Food – if we go over our given food allowance which is rare, because I’m quite strict with how much we spend. Whatever is left over, is either put into savings or debt.
- Needed Clothing & Shoes – Usually only underwear, or the odd sweater, or pair of shoes here and there. I am extremely careful about what I buy now. I don’t want to buy something and end up having to tote it around in our suitcase for the entire year and not use it. I really try and keep my clothing to the bare minimum because not only does it cost money to buy it, it’s a headache to keep having to pack something you don’t use, and it’s just more laundry to do on the weekends. This is also why I prefer thrift stores - it’s cheap and if it gets ruined, I can throw it away.
- Entertainment/Electronics/Personal money – This is spent on attractions around the city we’re in, a new gadget (MP3 player for example if mine were to break), or anything we want but cannot justify as a "need".
- Retirement plans – I have one with my company and a personal investment account as well. This is about 21% of my take-home pay.
- Savings plans – Bare minimum 15%, but sometimes I sneak this into debt repayment, if our emergency fund is healthy enough, and I just get the itch to clear our debt some more.
- Debt repayment – Minimum of 37.5% of my take-home pay, but I generally put in 54% on average, since my expenses are so low when I’m on a project.
My original goal was to clear our $57k in education debt (I don’t have any consumer debt at all), in at least 5 years. So far, we’re down to $41k left right now, which I plan on reducing to $15k by the end of Dec 2008, if everything stays on track.
I know things will happen, situations may change, so I’m allowing until mid-2009 to get it down to $15k. I also keep a decent emergency fund (nothing extravagant, just a couple thousand), to handle things like having to buy a new car when ours finally bites the dust, or whatever else may arise.
What we’ve really managed to save on is not buying any of the following:
- Home supplies (toilet paper, paper towels, dishcloths, towels, soap, etc – most hotel rooms have this available)
- Furniture and home decoration (we don’t have a home, so there’s no point in picking up a gorgeous vase when there’s no where to put it)
- Cleaning supplies (Windex, dish soap, cleaning solutions – the hotel cleans our rooms)
- Home appliances (toasters, dishwashers, vacuum cleaners – everything is provided by the hotel)
- Large electronics or toys (such as a plasma screen TV, or anything that cannot travel easily with us
- Anything that doesn’t or cannot easily travel with us
Other notes
But if I’m off a project and I have to be in my ‘home city’ (where my main corporate office is located), then I have to pay for rent, laundry, food, etc, and go into the office daily. This is why I’m always so anxious to find the next project out of my ‘home city’, and be able to travel and live there – it also helps the company because they have a very eager consultant who always wants to be making money for the company by being utilized 100%, without any of what we call "bench time" (which is time we are not on a project).
Lastly, I should clarify that even if I’m not on a project and not being utilized by the company to work as a consultant, I still get paid bi-weekly; being on a project doesn’t mean I get paid any more, I get paid whether or I am on a project or not. When I’m not on a project, I make sure I do internal projects to help out the company, such as bids & proposals, and constantly scour the project listings to see what’s coming up so I can be on my next assignment ASAP.
Have you heard from anyone else whose done the same thing?
No. I think we’re the only couple so far (on the blogosphere anyway), that are doing this as an actual lifestyle. Most people have mentioned that they’re amazed, but for them, they (understandably) cannot handle not having all of their clothes and things with them when they travel, and/or need a permanent home to be at every day and don’t like to travel.
So far, it has been a fairly easy transition for us. We just see the hotel room as our home (not hard, most of the ones we try to stay in, are the size of small apartments), and we try and make it more homey like bringing along a gaming system and hooking it up to the TV and playing each other at night. We also do the basic chores like washing our own dishes, tidying, dusting, and the maids maybe visit our room once a week, if that – we don’t see the point in them coming every day because we are such long-term hotel guests.
I don’t know if we’ll do this for longer than maybe 5 years, but it’s sure a heck of a way to save a ton of money with as little expenses as possible, and still be able to live comfortably. It’s not for everyone but if anyone else out there does this, please let me know! I’d love to trade experiences.
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Great interview, thanks.
I read on the BBC Website about a couple who have lived in a Travelodge on the A1 for the last 22 years. Whilst not “modern nomads” it is interesting that the comment on some of the same advantages “bills, cooking and making the bed”
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Paul: I’m going to read that article.. I’m thrilled to be able to have a chance to live like this - it’s taught me quite a bit about myself, wants, needs, etc… I just don’t know if my husband is going to make it until the end of next year! LOL
Very interesting interview.
I have a number of friends who might be candidates for this type of lifestyle since they generally work out of town most of the week.
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If they’re single, and can handle the kind of lifestyle (loneliness being away from friends, family and familiar things), then go for it.
The only pro I see with going back every weekend other than family/friends is you rack up those airmiles and other frequent flyer benefits like no other…. but I rack up the hotel points which I think is a better deal in the end
Very interesting interview. I considered that lifestyle briefly… my travel for work was up to 50% and I thought about just requesting to up it to 75, 80% and just ditching my apartment. I couldn’t really take the thought of not having a real home, though, and since I was single at the time I realized I would probably STAY single forever if I took on that lifestyle. Not that I minded being single - it would’ve been fun for a while. But being the 40 year old guy with no home traveling all the time gets a little old…
And now that I have a son I couldn’t imagine doing it either. But I think if you’re married and your spouse is on board with the idea, it would be a fascinating way to live for a while.
Oh my husband is VERY on board with the idea
He loves telling his friends he’s retired because he travels with me the entire time…. but I know he gets lonely when I’m at work, as he doesn’t know anyone in town. But we deal with it because it’s ridiculous to be paying for an apartment we’re never in.
We don’t plan on having kids, but I can see that if we had kids and if my husband got a job - I wouldn’t want to be way from them either.
I think we’ll give it up in about 2 years - that’ll be enough time for me to clear my entire student debt with the way we’ve been living/budgeting.
I’m so envious FB travels so much and stays in hotels! As a single 20-something I’d ask for more travel at work if it allowed me to see more places and friends at the same time. And racking up all those air miles or hotel points would be a great way to save for future non-work trips.
That’s the hardest part about it. No friends to really see unless they happen to have moved to that city.
But I make new friends at most of the clients I go to, and I tend to keep in touch with - which is a great way of expanding your network as well.
And my hotel points are really going to come in handy when Husband and I go and use ‘em
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There is something very appealing about being a nomad and this lifestyle- not sure if I could do it though. I really like having a “home city.” Maybe getting attached to a place is not so healthy- but my home city is filled with the people I love. Thanks for a GREAT article!
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I have never heard of anyone calling themselves modern nomads. I think a nomad, in general, would be someone who doesn’t have a real home.
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Damn that sounds like hard work! Great for a few weeks but I think long term one would become depressed
I think, this theme is quite actual now. I couldn’t really take the thought of not having a real home, though, and since I was single at the time I realized I would probably STAY single forever if I took on that lifestyle. Not that I minded being single - it would’ve been fun for a while. But being the 40 year old guy with no home traveling all the time gets a little old…
An informative blog! But we deal with it because it’s ridiculous to be paying for an apartment we’re never in.
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